'I need no trumpets or other paraphernalia. The voices of
the dead speak directly to their friends or relatives and are located
in space a little above my head and slightly to one side of me.
They are objective voices which my sitters can record'. Leslie Flint.
A full and very readable account of Leslie Flint's life and
mediumship, is to be found in his autobiography, Voices in the
Dark. Writing in 1971, Leslie begins by advising the
readers: 'In spite of a childhood which would give any
modern child nightmares, or perhaps because of it, I have reached
the age of fifty-nine without falling prey to neurosis, psychosis
or even the screaming meemies. I am a happy man'. When
Leslie's unmarried mother realized that she was pregnant, she left the
home shared with her widowed mother in St Albans, and gave birth to
Leslie in a Salvation Army home in Hackney, in 1911. On returning
home, she married Leslie's father. However, the marriage was
unsuccessful; Leslie's mother enjoyed the 'bright lights' ,
while his father 'drank most of his wages and put the rest
on horses which never seemed to win'. When war broke out in 1914,
Leslie's father was one of the first to enlist, 'simply to
get away from the domestic hell he lived in'.
From this time onwards, his mother would go out each evening and
deposit the young Leslie with the wife of the local cinema
manager; therefore, each evening, he would spend his time watching
whatever film was being shown. This situation came to a sudden
end when Leslie's mother eloped with one of her many admirers and
Leslie reports that she 'disappeared from my life'. He was
then brought up by his grandmother who could not read or write, and
took in washing to feed the extra mouth that she had taken in.
Leslie relates his childhood ponderings regarding God and the
afterlife, and records his bewilderment when hearing of a boy who
attended three Sunday Schools. On realizing this provided the boy
with three Christmas treats, 'a magic lantern show followed by a
glorious feast of jam sandwiches, ice buns and cakes, with
lemonade to drink', Leslie promptly did the same and notes:
'I felt vaguely sinful, but quite determined to repeat the manoeuvre
the following year'.
It was during this period when Leslie had the first realization
of his psychic abilities. He saw a soldier who then
'vanished', and on being later shown a photograph of his uncle
who had been killed, he told his aunt and grandmother this was the same
person whom he had seen. But the response for saying this, as
Leslie recalls, was 'I got a good clout from Gran'. After a
similar experience, he, somewhat wisely, said nothing about the people
that he saw and invariably disappeared. Shortly after reaching
thirteen, he left school and worked as a gardener in the local cemetery.
Leslie recalls that it was a conversation in the cemetery potting shed
between his atheistic, Darwinian boss, and a man who had become
'saved' through the Salvation Army, that aroused interest in the
purpose of life. Leslie sided with the latter and told him
of seeing his dead uncle, but his boss warned him that such talk
would cause him to end up in the lunatic asylum. Time went on
although this exchange remained in Leslie's mind and his work in the
cemetery prompted him to think that death might indeed be the end
of personal existence.
Becoming increasingly anxious about the question, Leslie began to
nquire at different churches but was left unsatisfied; he then
saw a notice about a meeting of the local Theosophical Society
and decided to attend. Unfortunately on doing so, and listening
to the guest speaker, Leslie says that 'most of his discourse
passed right over my devoted head'. Nonetheless, the speaker
mentioned the subject of life after death, but warned the
audience to avoid Spiritualism and the activity of communicating with
the dead. Leslie was fascinated by such an idea: 'Obviously
my next step was to find these Spiritualists'. Leslie kept asking
people about how he could find Spiritualists, but due to the negative
response, he came to the conclusion that he was trying to
infiltrate 'some sinister secret society'.
It was only when his boss was in the midst of another tirade
against the concept of survival, that Leslie discovered that the local
Spiritualists met at the local Friends' Meeting Place. Leslie
went along and Mrs Johnson, the medium, referred to a Mr Lewis;
before his death, he had been Leslie's art teacher and someone who had
become a father-figure to him. The medium described him
accurately, and went on to refer to Leslie's guide. In view
of what he was being told, Leslie began to become confused:
'He was a Guide, said Mrs Johnson, and he was not really an Arab, he
was someone dressed as an Arab. This seemed to me to get more
involved by the minute'.
The experience baffled Leslie and he therefore continued to attend the
meetings to investigate the matter further. In doing so, he often
became angry at the blatant 'fishing' by some mediums, and the
gullibility of those present. Those who claimed the
'messages unclaimed by others', whom Leslie called the
'Body Snatchers', at least provided some amusement for him.
During these meetings, he nevertheless received messages, including a
number from 'the young Arab' and the call to develop his
own mediumship. One of those who was present at the
meetings invited Leslie to her home circle and he agreed to
attend. This was followed by the receipt of a letter from a
woman in Munich who said that someone calling himself Rudolf Valentino
had made himself known in her circle.
He had asked that a letter be sent to Leslie, supplying his address,
saying that he must develop his mediumship; the communicator
added that he had being trying to communicate this request through
various mediums whom Leslie had seen, but without success. Leslie
therefore wondered if Valentino could possibly be 'the Arab
who was not really an Arab': Leslie knew of the actor
through his cinema attendance and that Valentino had appeared in
different films as an Arab. Leslie replied to the writer and
asked whether the communicator could make himself known in a convincing
way.
In the meantime, Leslie began to attend the home circle to which he had
been invited. This consisted of table-tipping, and one
of the messages received was from someone calling himself
Valentino, and it, 'was exactly the same message contained in the
letter from Munich'. The circle members were delighted with what
had occurred and asked Leslie to return. Leslie left promising to
do so, although doubts began to appear but he received another letter
from Munich with another message from Valentino saying that he wanted
Leslie to persevere. It was the distress of a widow that he
later saw at a funeral in the cemetery that prompted Leslie to return
to the circle. He did so and it was highly successful with Leslie
becoming entranced and several communicators speaking through him to
some of those present.
The circle members thanked Leslie for making this possible and told him
that one of those who spoke was Valentino, who once again said that
Leslie must continue with his development. Unfortunately, despite
this momentous advance, Mrs Cook, the medium who organized the circle,
claimed to have an Egyptian high priestess as a guide, called Shu-shu,
and at a subsequent circle meeting, Leslie's downfall occurred.
Leslie's account was that: 'Shu-shu said she would demonstrate
through her medium one of the rituals she used to perform when
she was a high priestess in the temple of Isis... Mrs Cook was...
broad in the beam and her bosoms were of Earth Mother proportions...
She gyrated her hips and weaved her arms, the while chanting what
sounded gibberish to me but was acclaimed enthusiastically by the
others as ancient Egyptian. The bounteous bosoms flopped
alarmingly as the dance grew more energetic... the arms kept weaving
like the tentacles of a busy octopus. I wanted to look
away... but try as I might my eyes were glued to the spectacle'.
At this point Leslie could not stop himself from laughing,
'until the tears streamed down my face'. Not surprisingly, when
the meeting ended, Mrs Cook suggested that Leslie did not return.
Leslie departed, having made up his mind to 'have nothing more to
do with Spiritualism'.
After having given up his job in the cemetery, Leslie secured
employment at the local cinema. Unfortunately, this came to a
premature end when he managed to extinguish its electricity supply, and
he consequently became unemployed. On being offered work as a
barman in Barkingside, he duly accepted the offer and also occupied
himself with dancing, a pastime that he had taken up while in St
Albans.
However, his mind returned to the messages from Valentino and after
much thought, he decided to return to St Albans to try and develop his
mediumship; he did so and took a job in a tailor's shop. In the
case of his mediumship, no progress was made until he met Edith
Mundin, a member of the local Spiritualist church, who invited
him to her home circle.
Leslie began attending the circle, and many weeks passed with no
obvious development in his mediumship. This was until one night
when he fell into trance and a number of communicators spoke
through him, including Edith's late husband. Further development
occurred with him becoming clairvoyant when he could describe the
next-world visitors.
By this time, Leslie was not only being kept busy with his mediumship,
but also with his dancing and developing a friendship with Edith.
At this point, Leslie recalls, 'my development as a medium was
entering its last and most important phase'. He had already
noticed that he could hear voices near him, albeit only a few
words; when this happened during a film that he was watching at
the cinema, he realized this was not his imagination as, 'other
members of the audience could also hear them because I was
constantly being told to shut up or thumped angrily on the back by
those sitting behind me... This happened so often that I had to give up
going to the cinema altogether'.
After moving into Edith's home as a lodger, Leslie had a quieter and
happier environment in which to develop his mediumship and the voices
became clearer; furthermore, much to Leslie's delight, becoming
entranced was no longer necessary. Torn between his desire to become a
professional dancer or to continue the development of his
mediumship, he chose the latter. He soon discovered that he had
made the correct decision as it was not long before Valentino was
making himself known at the circle; his voice being audible to
all those who were present. At this time, Edith decided that Leslie
should train himself for public work . His first public
demonstration at a local Spiritualist church, while in trance, was a
success. Edith and Leslie then decided that his ability for independent
direct voice mediumship should be made available for others and a
church should be opened where this would be possible.
After Edith and Leslie saved all the money that they could collect
together, the day came when they could advertise services at their
Watford Spiritualist Mission: the church was in fact an
unfurnished room over a shop with a few dozen chairs. For his own
living costs, Leslie began to give sittings in Edith's house, but aware
there were people who could not afford the one guinea fee, he began an
open circle one evening a week at the Mission. Many of
these circles produced startling evidence; one being when a local
woman, who had been murdered, communicated and gave a considerable
amount of information about herself and the circumstances
of her death. The circle members scanned the news reports
in the local newspapers and information that she had given was
subsequently confirmed as being correct.
Noah Zerdin, one of the founders of the Link Association
of Home Circles, attended one of Leslie's circle meetings
and warned him of the danger of allowing simply anyone to
attend these. He supplied further information about the dangers
and problems, and it was agreed that Leslie sit in Noah's home circle.
Of his meeting with Noah, Leslie recalls: 'I had been moved
by his burning sincerity and the compassion which urged him to share
his own conviction with as many people as possible'. Leslie
continued his work in the Mission, and while sitting with Noah's
circle, the quality of the voice phenomenon improved. By
this time, Mickey was Leslie's guide and worked with the developing
medium to facilitate the voices.
In view of Leslie's continuing development, Noah Zerdin and the
Committee of the Link decided to hold a large demonstration in
London on 16 May 1935, at Bloomsbury's Victoria Hall, with Leslie as
the medium. Leslie recalls his deep fears about what faced him,
although the voices of communicators were heard despite his
considerable apprehension. However, it was found that the light
was causing difficulties and and after Leslie was shielded from these,
the voices improved. Noah suggested that Leslie use a cabinet at
demonstrations in future, with a microphone on the outside.
The next significant event in Leslie's life was deciding to move to
Hendon, this being made possible by renting the property from one
of his sitters. And so, Leslie, Edith, Owen (Edith's
son) and Rags, the family mongrel, moved to Hendon and another
phase in Leslie's life was about to begin. At the new location,
Leslie's mediumistic work was now undoubtedly a full-time
occupation. He continued to work with the Link and give
demonstrations in some of the largest halls in London to which
coaches full of people would come: 'The voices came and
addressed friends and relatives in the audience to give their
proof of continuing existence and many thousands were given
conviction and their lives changed for the better'. Some examples
of the evidence given in Leslie's public demonstrations are
detailed by H. Porten.
In addition to this activity, hundreds of letters were being sent
from all over the world to Leslie about his mediumship. At this
time it was also attracting attention from those interested in testing
the phenomena. One of these was Dr Louis Young who had been
a frequent sitter together with his wife. He had tested, and
exposed, many mediums in America and was anxious to prove the
genuineness of Leslie's mediumship. Leslie remarks:
'The tests he conducted with me made fraud impossible'. One
of these was filling Leslie's mouth with coloured water for the
duration of the seance while the voices manifested themselves and
spoke to the sitters.
In addition to the independent direct voice phenomenon, Leslie's
mediumship was able to facilitate materializations who participated in
the events of the seance. In a dim red light: 'These
materialisations were quite firm and solid and they could be felt as
well as seen. They would move round the circle and sometimes they
would speak to the members'.
Despite this success, it was discovered that materializations
diminished Leslie's independent direct voice mediumship and it was
decided to concentrate on the latter. Although his mediumship was
clearly developing, he admits that it was not always successful;
there would be occasions when sitters would sit in the dark for an hour
or so, and nothing would occur.
One of the many examples of Leslie's successes was when
Shaw Desmond, an Irish novelist, attended a seance. Shaw was
accompanied by a woman, although Leslie did not know the names of
either sitter. Shaw's son spoke to his father at length, and
Valentino spoke with the woman sitter and had clearly known her at one
time. It later transpired that she had indeed known him:
during the seance she had asked where they had last met and she later
told Leslie that the communicator's reply was quite correct.
Furthermore, she advised Leslie that Valentino was passionately
interested in psychic matters and used to spend much time discussing
the subject.
Leslie was also tested by The Confraternity ; he refers to these people
as 'a group of brave clergyman', i.e. they accepted
the possibility of communication through mediumship.
Leslie's sitters also included those from the royal household. A
sitting was booked by a 'Mrs Brown and Mrs Smith', and good
evidence was supplied, e.g. one of the women spoke with her late
husband. After this, another communicator spoke and it transpired
from this that the two sitters were attached to the royal
household. By virtue of their visit, Leslie gave a sitting
to John James, who was steward to Princess Louise at Kensington
Palace. James was so impressed with the evidence, that he
arranged regular sittings with Leslie to be held every month.
James then received various messages from different communicators that
were duly passed on to those members of the royal family for whom
they were intended (Leslie comments that he waited until all
those concerned had died before giving this information.) It was
not long before Leslie was invited to Kensington Palace to speak with
the Princess. On arriving at the Palace, they had a lengthy and
pleasant conversation about survival and the afterlife.
Shortly after this time, various countries were becoming caught up in
the Second World War and Leslie noted that he began to have problems
with his mediumship, and he was advised the reason was because
'the atmosphere surrounding the earth was so filled with fear'.
As other mediums during this bleak time, Leslie worked to provide
assurance of survival to those who had lost their loved ones in
the fighting. As Leslie heard more and more communicators express their
bewilderment and distress at suddenly being thrust into the next world,
and seeing the grief of those who mourned, this caused him
to reflect. The result was: 'I made up my mind that when
the time came to stand up and be counted I would be a conscientious
objector'.
Leslie continued to give sittings, but eventually the time came when he
had to explain his refusal to fight. Standing before the panel,
Leslie explained that he was a Spiritualist to which one of the
panel, whom Leslie described as being like a 'petulant walrus',
retorted, 'This fellow's a crank of some kind'. After
much intense questioning, the President asked Leslie to provide a
brief account of his beliefs, which he duly did.
While Leslie affirmed his refusal to kill, he stated that he was fully
aware that the war effort against Nazism was a struggle against evil,
and he would gladly assist his country - but he would not kill.
It was agreed that Leslie would be called into a non-combatant role in
due course. It was not long afterwards that Leslie was called up and
went to Ilfracombe to undergo training. On his first leave, he
returned home for a sitting arranged by Edith. During this, an
air raid began and many people were killed nearby. Leslie
recalls: 'Mickey at once returned to speak to us... He went on to
say that hundreds of spirit people were already at the scene
of the disaster to help the victims over the border between this
life and the next.... That evening, he talked to us very seriously and
as he talked his treble boy's voice changed its timbre and became more
adult, more cultured, more resonant'. After the seance, Leslie
proposed to Edith and two days later they were married.
On returning to barracks, Leslie's presence caused upset as one
of the other non-combatants, a Christian, refused to sleep in the
same hut 'as a necromancer'. However, not all of Leslie's
colleagues adopted this stance. It was reported how he held
circles for fifty of his army colleagues on a regular basis
although, 'they have to take it in turns to attend seances
because there is not enough room in the hut for them all'. On one
occasion when Leslie's colleagues asked him for a demonstration
of his mediumship, he did this, and a sister of one
of the men began to communicate; however, this was abruptly
ended by a sergeant barging in whereupon the ectoplasm rushed back,
causing Leslie considerable discomfort. He then recalled Noah
Zerdin's warning years before and decided never to hold a seance in
such circumstances again.
After moving to a new camp, Leslie felt guilty about his non-combatant
role, and volunteered for bomb disposal duties and was moved to
Cardiff. When local Spiritualists discovered that he was nearby,
they asked him to give sittings and he says that: 'it was a joy
to experience again the satisfaction of giving help and
reassurance to those in need of it'. After a while, the
bomb disposal unit was disbanded and Leslie returned to London to
undertake different work. He was therefore able to resume regular
seances both at home and elsewhere. In these, excellent evidence
was forthcoming, some of which related to parents hearing from
their children who had been killed while fighting in the war. The
next stage in Leslie's life was, as he says, 'rashly'
responding to the call for miners. After a period of
working underground, he laboured at Liverpool moving crates to be
shipped out of the docks to the forces overseas. There he
remained until V.E Day.
The war having finished, regular seances resumed and at one, Air
Chief Marshal Lord Dowding was present. During this,
Mickey made himself known and mentioned a young airman wishing to
speak. He did so and gave his name as Peter Kite, his address and
a message for his parents: he was particularly concerned about
his mother as the distress of his death was causing her
ill-health. He then mentioned that he knew Mr Turner, one
of the sitters, and told Mr Turner that he had visited him for
dental work. Leslie remarks: 'None of the other
sitters knew Mr Turner was a dentist nor did they know his name.
Mr Turner said he remembered Peter Kite coming to him for treatment...
but he did not know he had been killed nor even that he had joined the
R.A.F.'
The airman's parents were contacted and invited to a seance.
Arthur Conan Doyle was the first to communicate and took the
opportunity to explain to the parents what had happened to their son,
as they had no knowledge of the subject. The son then spoke
and referred to practical jokes that he had played on them before his
death and what he had seen them doing since that date. Leslie
recalls: 'For close on forty minutes the voice of Peter
Kite went on piling evidential detail on detail, details trivial in
themselves but in the aggregate giving his parents incontrovertible
proof of his identity and his continued existence'.
One of Leslie's sitters, a Mrs Barrat, was so impressed by the
evidence that she received about her son who had been killed in the
war, that she arranged and paid for sittings for other mothers who had
suffered similar losses. On one occasion, one of these
women did not arrive and the seance had to begin without her. A
young man's voice then communicated and asked for his mother, and Mrs
Barrat recognized the speaker as the son of the woman who had not
arrived. He then told the sitters that his mother's train had
been delayed and she was sitting outside the seance room. It was
explained the door could not be opened as this would allow light
inside. Leslie relates how: 'Then a wonderful thing
happened. As a rule the voices... speak from a point above my
head... but as this spirit spoke his voice moved right away from me
across the room to the door where he called loudly for his
mother. From outside the door the mother answered him and the
dead boy and the living mother talked together through the door'.
Another example of Leslie's spectacular mediumship shortly after
the war was when Edgar Grant attended a seance and spoke with his
wife, 'for some minutes in a perfectly ordered and natural
manner'. After this, he recorded that: 'I then felt fingers
take my pen and notebook from my hand and heard the pen moving across
the paper'. On examining this, he declared the 'writing
obtained at the seance and his wife's normal handwriting [before
she died] is indisputable'.
Leslie mentions how he was anxious to provide quality demonstrations to
the public. In one at the Kingsway Hall in March 1950, Leslie was able
to provide marvellous evidence of survival when a young man
referred to his death by suicide, giving details of this. Mr
Shead, a member of the audience recognized the communicator, a
son of a friend, with whom he had only met a short time earlier
and had mentioned his son's suicide. Shead later said the
information given by the communicator, 'had been the same, almost
word for word, [as] told by the father'. This demonstration
also saw various other communicators recognized by members of the
audience, including instances of sons who had died in childbirth
or killed in the war, with their mothers.
The pressure of the public demonstrations had an effect on
Leslie's health. In one article headed 'Voice Medium
Collapses at Public Seance', it recorded how Leslie had
'collapsed and had to be carried from the platform': this was at
the Kingsway Hall in July 1950.
Nonetheless, Leslie was still able to demonstrate his mediumship and at
one large public seance at the Kingsway Hall, he used a
specially-designed cabinet. This was seven feet high and four
feet square. The cabinet was covered in tarpaulin and the
audience could therefore see all that was happening in the area
outside. In this demonstration, various communicators spoke and
convinced their loved ones in the audience of the continuing
existence.
It was interesting to note how they confirmed what is repeatedly stated
by communicators, i.e. they are 'more alive than ever'. In
the case of Jim, a boy, who spoke to his mother, he confirmed
that he was still very much alive; Mickey interrupted and said to
the mother: 'Jim's a darned sight more alive than you are lady,
I'll tell you!'.
In the course of time, Leslie received so many requests to
demonstrate his mediumship, that a committee was formed to deal with
the administration and other related aspects. One of the
members of the committee was the Revd Drayton Thomas, who had,
through his tireless efforts, gained excellent evidence of
survival through the medium, Mrs Gladys Leonard, and had also served on
the SPR Council. He was aware that some were suggesting that
Leslie heard the voices clairaudiently, and then gave the messages
himself through his own mouth. Thomas therefore arranged a test,
details of which were reported in Psychic News (14
February, 1948); in this, a strip of elastoplast was placed
over Leslie's mouth with a scarf then being tied over this, with
cords being used to tie his hands and restrict head movement. In
this situation, the voices were heard and 'Mickey emphasised his
ability several times by shouting loudly'. At the end of
the seance, with twelve people present, the cords and plaster were
intact and had not been disturbed.
A further test was conducted in the presence of Dr West, the SPR
Research Officer; after Leslie had his mouth firmly taped with the
position of the plaster marked with a pencil, and his arms
strapped to the chair, the voices manifested themselves and both Thomas
and West held a conversation with the communicators. Leslie found
the experience to be extremely uncomfortable, i.e. having great
difficulty in breathing, and he had to cancel appointments for the next
few days in order to recover. However, West then advised Leslie
that as one of the plasters was not in line with one of the
markings when the test ended, he did not view the experiment as
conclusive: West took responsibility for not taking sufficient
care in fixing the plaster.
In view of the discomfort experienced, and the unsatisfactory
manner in which the test had been conducted, Leslie, understandably,
declined West's invitation to submit yet again. It appears
that not even Leslie was allowed to escape the muddled and bungling
efforts of researchers, many of whom, throughout much of
the history of physical mediumship, have continually
requested 'more' due to their lack of care and
attention.
In time, Leslie discovered, much to his distress, that while he
originally thought that by demonstrating his mediumship to scientists
and researchers, they would therefore join the chorus of those
proclaiming survival, this was not to be: 'All too soon I learned
the hard way that many of those who call themselves researchers
have immutable values of their own which preclude belief
in... the possibility of life after death'.
In an attempt to provide irrefutable evidence of Leslie's
mediumship, the Revd Drayton Thomas contacted an electronics expert who
had an interest in psychic matters and provided various devices to use
that would verify the voices were not coming directly from
Leslie. In the presence of experienced researchers, Leslie
underwent tests in which his lips were sealed with plaster, a
microphone was attached to his throat, and there was an infra-red
telescope that allowed the researchers to monitor the events in the
dark; furthermore, Leslie's hands were held by the sitter on each side
of him. Leslie reports that the result was: 'Voices spoke
at many of the tests under these conditions and on more than one
occasion a researcher viewing through the infra-red telescope was able
to see the ectoplasmic larynx through which the discarnate speak
forming on my left side some two feet distant from me'. One
of the researchers later wrote to Leslie, confirming what had
happened and saying this had been 'impressive'.
The actual content o f Leslie's independent voice mediumship was
itself indicative of the external sources responsible: as
he points out, 'literally thousands of different voices...
speaking in different dialects, in foreign languages unknown to
me'. And this was apart from the 'mass of personal detail
and reminiscence'.
The success of tests made on Leslie is noted by Guiley:
'Flint was extensively tested - he called himself "the most
tested medium in England" - but no evidence of fraud was ever
found. The most dramatic test was done in London and New
York in 1970. Flint's lips were sealed with plaster, and a throat
microphone showed no evidence of use of his vocal chords,
despite the manifestation of ghostly voices'. Leslie corroborates
this when he says: 'I have been boxed up, tied up, sealed up,
gagged, bound and held and still the voices have come to speak their
message of life eternal'.
Notwithstanding, we nevertheless learn an important lesson here,
relevant at this time. Leslie graciously submitted to being
monitored through infra-red apparatus, apart from a host of other
modes of tests, and while no evidence of fraud was evident,
the tests had little or no effect on scientists and sceptics, and added
nothing meaningful to the field of knowledge. Yet again,
this provides an example of how the filming, recording and/or
monitoring of mediums has no value, and if anything only
serves to minimize the phenomena.
The full scope of Leslie's mediumship is surely demonstrated by
the judgements given by other mediums. Jessie Nason, who supplied
so much excellent evidence to so many people and appeared on British
national television to demonstrate her ability, attended a seance with
Leslie in 1965. After receiving remarkable evidence for
herself and witnessing this occurring with others, she declared
Leslie's seance as 'fantastic'.
In 1970, Leslie spoke to the Spiritualist Task Force and referred to
how physical mediums had been 'hounded out' of
Spiritualism. When asked why he had not suffered the same fate,
he replied with his usual dry humour, saying, 'Perhaps I'm a
little more intelligent and a little more careful'. He also
remarked on one sad fact that still prevails nearly forty years
later: on commenting on how much effort and time he had devoted
to developing his mediumship he remarked on how, 'You have to
find self-sacrificing sitters. And believe me, I haven't found
many among some Spiritualists'. He also spoke about the dangers
that sometimes exist and recalled how someone had once turned on a
light while he was in trance and he was 'ill for weeks
afterwards'.
Leslie's mediumship resulted in him travelling abroad and this clearly
had no effect on the quality of the evidence supplied. One
example was the seance at the W. T. Stead Centre in New York when
Mickey announced that a Carl Schneider wished to speak. None
of the sitters responded, but Mickey was adamant there had to be
someone there who knew him. One sitter, a Robert Bolton, spoke up
saying that he knew Schneider, but believed that he was in fact
alive. The communicator nevertheless spoke and said that he had
died a year earlier; moreover, Bolton recognized the voice as
Schneider's. The following day, Bolton telephoned the number that
Schneider had given him at an earlier time, and was told by the person
answering that Schneider had died a year earlier, having committed
suicide. Bolton was so impressed by the evidence that he wrote an
account of the experience in Psychic News. Leslie then left
New York to give successful seances and visit Chicago, Los Angeles and
Hollywood; during which time he was entertained by Mae West and her
husband, and visited Valentino's grave and placed flowers there.
Demonstrating that the pain of losing a loved one is still very
much present, despite an intimate awareness of survival, Edith's
death after a lengthy deterioration in health caused considerable
heartache for Leslie. He recalls that after the funeral: 'A
wave of desolation swept over me as I realised I had yet to come
to terms with the loss of her physical presence... I wondered
if I could go on living in a house filled with memories of
past happiness'. Following this, Leslie's guides told him that he
would soon be moving into a flat in central London, and despite his
doubts, a few months later he was there.
It was at this time that Leslie became anxious about the pressure being
placed upon him and he decided to retire from public work. He
then gave all his energy to private seances that continued to be
successful, and often eventful; one was when a Mr and Mrs Newton
attended and Leslie was perturbed that they had brought an alsatian dog
with them as he did not allow animals in the seance room; but he
then suddenly realized the dog was not physically present. When
the seance began, Mr Newton's father communicated and said that
'Rex' was with him and his wife. Leslie records: 'At this
point to my surprise and embarrassment I heard Mr Newton
sobbing'. It transpired that Mr and Mrs Newton had once had an
alsatian dog called Rex, and Mr Newton was deeply distressed by the
circumstances in which the dog had died. Of the seances,
of which there were a number, when this type of evidence
arose, Leslie states: 'I am convinced that the love we give to
our animals on this side of life lifts them on to a higher plane
of existence... and that when we die we shall find them waiting
to greet us'.
Leslie mentions the many seances that he conducted for George Woods and
Betty Greene. In these, a positive wealth of information
about the post-mortem existence was revealed. A wide range
of people communicated and no matter what their background had
been, their statements had remarkable uniformity. This was made
apparent with one communicator, Rose Hawkins, who had been a street
flower seller before her death and had an 'earthly voice,
strident, cheerful, with a Cockney twang even more pronounced than
Mickey's. She said: 'You want me to describe our world in your
material language! I don't know which way to start. I
suppose if you could think of all the beautiful things in your
world without all the things which aren't pleasant, you'd 'ave a
vague notion of what it's like... The only things you get 'ere is
by character and the way you've lived your life and how you've thought
and acted'.
In view of the valuable information imparted when the two were
there, Leslie admits: 'I began to look forward more and more to
my sittings with George Woods and Betty Greene'. Details of
some of these were detailed by Neville Randall in his book, Life
After Death, that makes truly fascinating reading as it records much of
the detail provided in a number of these sittings. The work
of Woods and Greene became public news resulting in Leslie
appearing on television, and having the opportunity to expound the
reality of everlasting life and the possibility of communication
between the two worlds.
A number of communicators joined the Woods/Greene seances
attempting to undo the wrong done in their earthly life: one was
Lord Birkenhead who, having died, realized the immoral nature of
capital punishment that he had once supported. Leslie records how
he 'spoke eloquently and urgently for almost an hour on the
necessity for the total abolition of the death penalty'.
Another communicator was George Bernard Shaw. When the tape
of his communication was played to the writer Laurence
Easterbrook, O.B.E, who had known Shaw for a good number of years, he
declared: 'I found the G.B.S. recording interesting indeed.
The more I think about it, the more impossible it seems for none but
himself to have been responsible'. When the tape was played to
George Bishop, the dramatic critic of the Daily Telegraph, who was a
close friend of Shaw but also someone who had no interest in the
paranormal, he agreed, 'The mind and the mood are Shaw's'
One person who communicated and is well-known to Spiritualists was Dr
Cosmo Lang, who had been Archbishop of York and had suppressed
the report of a church commission investigating
Spiritualism; he voiced his regrets regarding his
behaviour. A tape of his communication was played to Conan
Shaw, who had known Lang and he stated: 'Yes, I have every
confidence it is Dr Cosmo Lang who is the communicator as he claims to
be on the tape'.
The Revd Allan Barham, a member of the SPR and Churches'
Fellowship for Psychical and Spiritual Studies, wrote about Leslie and
states: 'I have been present many times at a Leslie Flint
sitting, when voices have spoken which have been recognised as the
unmistakable expression of the personality of someone - a
relation or friend - who has died'. It was in fact Barham, who
played the Shaw tape to Bishop, as mentioned above; he reports
that after listening to it, Bishop 'was deeply moved'.
Despite the well-known personalities who communicated through Leslie,
he continued to provide evidential seances to 'ordinary
people'. One such instance was when a Mrs Dunk attended and
Robin, her son who had died in a car accident in 1968,
communicated. She noted how he continued using a term of
language about which she always corrected him before his death.
He gave a considerable amount of personal evidence about what had
happened in the family since his death, even thanking his mother
for 'the two roses bushes she had planted in his memory'.
Mrs Dunk's own mother also communicated and she reported how the voice
was 'unmistakable'.
Following the usual Spiritualist tradition, Leslie held Christmas tree
seances. One, that took place in 1972, was described by a sitter,
who recounted the usual dry humour that occurred, e.g. when Leslie
asked Mickey to hurry up, the guide replied: 'I wish you'd shut
up!' A number of children were able to communicate
successfully and it was noted 'the voices seemed to be
manifesting directly above the Christmas tree. Occasionally they
moved as the spirit children examined presents' and that,
'the children's different personalities were marked'. Then,
'towards the end of the seance, presents on and under the tree
were thrown about the room. Though the proceedings took place in
pitch darkness, nobody was hit'. Noteworthy was the fact that
'Leslie was heard coughing several times while the voices spoke.
As Mickey said, "We've been having trouble with old Flint
lately"'.
A number of NAS members have also related their experiences when
sitting with Leslie and provided a fascinating insight into the
marvellous quality of his mediumship. One of the
accounts reveals something of the extent of Leslie's
abilities: George Cranley describes a Christmas party when
numerous children spoke, each with their distinctive personality,
although this resulted in two of them arguing over one of
the toys: 'Mickey would break in saying, "Ere, pack it in
you two" so that three voices would be heard
simultaneously'. The NAS Newsletter has also featured a lengthy
interview that took place with Leslie in 1993 concerning his
mediumship, and mediumship in general.
Leslie died on 16 April 1994: previously the Vice-President, he
became the joint Vice President (in spirit) of the
Noah's Ark Society with Noah Zerdin who accomplished so much in
directing Leslie's course. A tribute to Leslie appeared in NAS
Newsletter, No. 47, and it is surely fitting to conclude with the words
included in this: 'For many, Leslie had the quality of a
Columbus, opening for us the portals into a new world that gave hope,
that enlarged our vision of life, and deepened our values... He
was a rare soul, who served us well'.